Last week, I sat down with Matt Germer⁠, director of the Governance Program at the ⁠R Street Institute⁠, a center-right think tank, and Scott Warren⁠, a fellow at the ⁠SNF Agora Institute⁠ at Johns Hopkins University.

Matt and Scott are collaborating to build a “grasstops” network of pro-democracy conservatives. (More about their effort here.) They also shared a stage at the Principles First Summit with Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger and Maricopa County Recorder Stephen Richer.

We recapped the Principles First Summit (a center-right alternative to CPAC), talked about their collaboration, and more, including:

Check out our conversation here, above, or wherever you get your podcasts!

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